3. I believe it's mostly energy that affects bloodbending and not raw power at all. @XImpossibruX: yes but he would see her charging up and get ready to dodge. Do you really think any firebender could learn combustion bending? You are born the avatar but you still have to master the elements. Could go either way, but I'm giving the edge to Azula. That's evident because his brother is a firebender and he is an earthbender. 2. These avatar themed subreddits are fully or partially run by moderators of /r/TheLastAirbender. Firstly I'd like to say that my impression has always been that strength/quantity of energy = raw power. Amon vs Zaheer. I wrote this part after my 3rd point. For those, it's been indicated that it has to do with energy/spirituality. In waterbending, you only need to try harder and harder to, let's say, control a big wave. EVERY MASTER METALBENDER IS ALSO A MASTER EARTHBENDER. She was born 2 years after her brother Zuko. Okay, so what you call energy is what they call power on the show. Answer Image Amon Amon ... Avatar: The Last Airbender . Ok, if that's how you see it.2. Write Clearly and Concisely | Grammarly. Afraid I’ll redirect it?!”. That's what I'm getting at. One beloved aspect of Avatar: The Last Airbender is the number of incredible characters, both protagonists and antagonists. All he has is reflexes that probably stalemate hers. Bloodbending isn't that hard to lear considering Katara learned it just by seeing Hama performing it. Anyway, Amon with bloodbending has this handily. No. though i will admit that Azula will have higher endurance then Amon and will be able to dish out stronger attaks I highily doubt that. Here are a couple of things I'd like your views on... 1. Full moon is kinda like Sozin's comet for them - except it only increases their power by a factor of 5 instead of a 100. I'm not just gonna assume he's some great waterbender when he has nothing to show for it. Just look at how strong Aang, Korra, Roku, Wan, etc. Amon was a beast and his bloodbending + waterbending + acrobatics + physique + him knowing chi would be game over for her. As much as I love Ming... 1. Azula grew up with all the riches, splendor, and privileges of royalty in the Fire Nation. A quantity of energy from Raava. Memes must feature avatar characters (as in images of them). @pr0tocol: Well, probably, since Azula is described as deadly and percise by both Iroh and the creators but anyway, sure it won't be by lightning. 7 Verdict 8 Comparison 8.1 Dabi 8.2 Azula 9 OST 10 Trivia My Hero Academia vs Avatar: The Last Airbender! Even if it does affect raw power, it doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other things like energy. THE FODDER SOLDIERS ARE MASTERS OF NEITHER. Princess Azula is a manipulative and ruthless fire-bending prodigy, and the tertiary, but after Zuko's reform the secondary villain in the television series, Avatar: The Last Airbender. Even if he is a bloodbending master, it doesn't mean he is a waterbending master. At least a hand. so, to recap: Amon is faster, more experienced and has more advanced style of fighting. The water spout technique is high skill but doesn't indicate mastery at the level of Azula in ayway. Thing is, bloodbending has had no such indication. A standalone Katara focused graphic novel releasing Oct 2020, No blatant reposts! Metalbending to earth is what bloodbending is to water. Azula has no defense for that. Considering Ursa was a nonbender and Ozai still married her (given it was for the powerful bloodline, but she was still respected as the queen), also Mai’s family were and still able to hold a high ranking government position. However, her raw power is most certainly better with the full moon. He beats Azula easily. 3. That's how I see it. Yeah it affects raw power, but that doesn't change the fact that their energy also gets boosted and I believe energy is what affects bloodbending. Two that stand on opposite sides are Katara, waterbending extraordinaire and staple member of Team Avatar, and Azula, Fire … I'm not sure about that..I mean for example Korra with only fire which is her best element would get stomped by someone like Kuvira. Rendered by PID 22107 on r2-app-0c8fdf6e9a203a3c1 at 2021-03-22 06:00:16.862372+00:00 running 8c6298c country code: PL. Amon is most likely a better fighter than Ty Lee, and he seems to be able to … Bloodbending isn't the same as waterbending. @justicethorpsylocke: What are you even talking abuot? It doesn't as proved with the metalbenders. He obviously knew. Azula's going to roast him alive since i'm assuming she's sane. She is also hiding a shuriken knife in her sleeve. I don't know, but won't it be interesting to find out? @justicethorpsylocke: How exactly? Are the grunts more skilled than Azula. She is Izumi's paternal aunt. Is she a Cobustion Master? Amon was taught so we can't know if he was taught plantbending too(I doubt that since he was raised and trained in a place without any plants overall) We can't know if he is that recourseful. You don't get it. Yes - that explanation makes perfect sense. Share. It seemed that way based on how quick and resourceful she was with it during her fight with Korra on the battlefield. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. See? Mako was able to shoot lightening and Korra was able to punch airbending while under his bloodbending grip. This is a great fight, and could go either way, both are agile, Amon easily dodges the best benders and attacks with Chi Blocks, Azula however, managed to avoid the Aang Gang INCLUDING the very nimble Aang while powerless. Certainly not. I don't get how you are differentiating between raw power and energy, but most of the comments on the show were about power. Hey everyone! Please try again later. First of all, there's no clear evidence that Full Moon enchanges raw power. Lin is and maybe Su considering that she is somewhere on her level. The place where Katara fought Hama had rain, moisture, and plants as the water source, which altogether wasn't that much water. it would be lightning if he had that huge water tornado against her. Amon has way more experience where Azula has had training. Explaining to others why they should watch Avatar. Because for Amon to generate a water spout that massive so easily and instantaneously, he'd have to have water training, not just blood. Also, awesome point on Bolin. Neither Azula nor Ozai would be able to combustion bend even though they are master firebenders but Combustion Benders still need to train just like lightningbenders so yeah, I'll agree on that.Although, not such thing was stated for bloodbending indeed and we can assume that every waterbender can achieve this. He's useless against masters at her level without BB. @pr0tocol: All I'm saying is even with a lake of water he can't beat her. Princess Azula was born to Prince Ozai and Princess Ursa in 85 AG and was named after her paternal grandfather, Fire Lord Azulon. You don't have to master normal waterbending to master bloodbending. or something like that. He could be but it is not sure. That doesn't save him. He gets stomped badly. 2. In the season 1 finale of The Legend of Korra, Tarrlok escaped from a prison cell with his older brother Amon's help, so why did he kill them both by intentionally blowing up the boat taking them to freedom? 1. Even more dangerous. Yes, minimal movement do indicate mastery of the element so Amon is a master bloodbender but that doesn't mean he can do the same with water. And sorry again :( I don't know what happened. If "blood" was an element in and of itself, we could see Noatak's progression - from doing the stances to perform it to such mastery that he could do it while barely moving. They build towards LoK and answer some questions left at the end of ATLA. Yeah, indeed. It's exactly the same thing with bloodbending. Maybe or maybe not. So, no. I was today years old when I realized the striking similarities between Friedrich's 1818 painting Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog and this shot in the opening scene of ATLA. Clearly. I'm not gonna argue about this. @frocharocha: It's a shame we never got an actual non-bender combatant. It's Pumpkin again!So I entered into the huge Probending AMV Tournament on Youtube. The first thing Hama taught Katara was that she had to "see" the water in usual sources and draw it out - air, flowers, plants. I liked the Mask, he was very well designed as a character (art wise). Boiling Rocks were able to perform fire whips. The villager of the South, or the Equalist of Republic City. I hope these examples are good enough for you. Use the search function before posting. It's really different and while it means you are a master it doesn't mean that you can control normal water with mastery. is cooler. Anyone can waterbender with the full moon, but only those with Yakone's genes have the raw power to bend without any amps. Is there anything to prove that she is a firebending master. When he was fighting Korra, he was in a building with no water around. Azula has no defense for that. 4. He uses it to subtly move an opponent so their attacks go wide and he can dodge them much easier. Even as the prince of the Fire Nation, Zukohas always struggled in life, particularly in matching his prodigy sister Azula and getting his father's acknowledgment. [–] I have argued a thousand times in a thousand lifetimesTheYLD 1 point2 points3 points 9 months ago (1 child). You need to focus on the earth inside the metal and the water inside the blood.That indicates that not raw power is needed. Server is community run. Exactly. But it still doesn't indicate mastery on the basic element. Were they master waterbenders at the age of 10-12? This was shown by many waterbenders in the Seige of the North. Azula...not exactly sure. Esspecially when Amon or P'Li would think..."F..k water...I'll destroy their bloodstream" or "F..k fire, I'll blow them up". An example would be Unalaq. Every indication has pointed to it being related to raw power due to the whole full moon deal. I prove my point on bloddbenders. You aren't getting me, NO CHARACTER IS A MASTER METALBENDER BUT NOT A MASTER EARTHBENDER. I think that means that the dark avatar giant form is susceptible to blood bending. They are all fodder and way too far from masters. Considering that Katara was able to break free of bloodbending only during Full Moon means that it affected her energy and not her raw power. We know nothing about it except the power itself. Amon has that spout feat, which isn't much on its own but given that his inferior brother could outperform Korra in pure water (she had to use earth) his water bending is definitely crazy. What has Kuvira done to be considered a master eartbender? The most requested VS video on my channel is finally here. Not everyone could do what he did in the beggining of the show. @marty2187: 1. 3. Everyone dd. For example, Mako can generate lightening with less motion than Azula in AtLA. She was a key adversary of Team Avatar, chasing Avatar Aangand her banished brother far across the Earth Kingdom accompanied by her two best friends Mai and Ty Lee. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 22107 on r2-app-0c8fdf6e9a203a3c1 at 2021-03-22 06:00:16.862372+00:00 running 8c6298c country code: PL. Her sharp wits and the fact that she was a firebending prodigy gained her great attention and acclaim, which quickly made her Ozai's favorite child. Avatar: The Last Airbender The White Lotus is an international organization of teachers, philosophers, and warriors, who value knowledge and wisdom above nationality. 3. Yeah, he has excuse. Same, if he was a non-bender i'm pretty sure he would be one of the most skilled and powerful characters in the series. 5. While Azula might think the Fire Nation is the best of them all, she doesn’t share the same ideals about benders vs nonbenders as two of her best friends are nonbenders. Granted, you still need skill, but skill alone won't do it. I'm not sure about that impression. It's arguable for Lin and Su. The Legend of Korra. Could Amon be a master waterbender after all? However it probably won't work nearly as well due to the immense amount of power dark avatar has. She was discovered to be a fire bending prodigy at a very young age, which made her Ozai's favorite child. Her agility and speed are easily better shown many times. I have argued a thousand times in a thousand lifetimes. Amon would win because of the way he uses blood bending. That explains why only Ozai, Azula and Iroh were able to do it. 3. And maybe endurance. It's a clear stomp by Azula. Combustion benders are something like lightning benders. But Combustion benders are born with that spot on their head that simultaneously gives them a huge advantage and a crippling weakness. If Unalaq knew that bloodbending existed and had the full moon, then he would easily be able to bend blood. I'm leaning toward her losing, although it'd be very close. Ming Hua, on the other hand, can move her water arms while barely moving. Even if he is a bloodbending master, it doesn't mean he is a waterbending master. Bloodbending during the day was far too OP esspecially with Amon taking bending away. I'll reply to you with what I said to Marty, above: Bloodbending isn't the same as waterbending. If the location doesn't have water yeah he loses. 3. It's a apecial technique. Raw Power as we call it, is size and damage. 2. Admittedly fifteen feet is a pretty short distance and azula is fast and nimble, maybe she could get an attack in quick that leaves him vulnerable but Amon isn't exactly slow either, and the catacombs does have a river he could utilize if he wanted to created a defensive water wall. But you still need training. Or it could be because it was only one season to see any progression that the original had... they can redirect it. Both Katara and Hama needed to move while bloodbending - but Amon could do it without moving. Why do that? 4. 5 Intermission 6 Sadistic Flames-Fight! Amon easily beat other benders without being hit because he was bloodbending them before the battle even started. Is she a Cobustion Master? Not waterbending training.That's what I mean. She was named after her grandfather, Fire Lord Azulon. A firebending prodigy, Azula was sadistic, manipulative, and obsessed with power. I hope you understand what I mean.I don't think so because of the above reason I gave you. Plus, its implied that the reason why Amon was so successful against benders was because he was using subtle bloodbending to throw off their aim - and without bloodbending, he wouldn't even have that. Who do you think would win this time? This came to a head when Ozai punished him for a perceived slight by horrifically burning his face and sending him into exile, refusing to let him return until he had captured the Avatar. I also don't think that blood-bending is comparable to combustion bending. Yes, anyone can do bloodbending, but can anyone bend blood without a full moon (or any moon furthermore) with only their mind/unnoticeable body movements? Who ever said such thing? "The waterbenders draw power from the moon", "You are not the only one who draws power from the moon", "I've noticed my bending is stronger during full moon" - stuff like that. Got it. because he's not an avatar, nor can he access avatar state. (like me). The same for many metal-benders who are still average earthbenders. Azula is a villain, and she ranks highly among the villains of Avatar and The Legend of Korra. Copy link. Noatak was born in the Northern Water Tribe to Yakone and his wife, as the older brother of Tarrlok by three years. For example, Ming Hua is a master waterbender because she can maintain her water arms with minimal motion. I find it kind of annoying that they created such an unbeatable beast. It's pretty similar. @justicethorpsylocke: Yeah, really sorry. He was taught. That's ridiculous...Anyway, yeah, I also mentioned that about the lack of water. Aang never tried to learn metalbending and the hundreds of police metalbenders as well as the academy of Toph indicate than any earthbender can become a metalbender just like any waterbender can become a bloodbender. Amon cannot hurt anyone without bloodbending. 4 Azula BendsDEATH BATTLE! It's a apecial technique. and join one of thousands of communities. Funny you brought up martial skills cause he is obviously outmatched by her on that field. Most benders in LoK weren't as proficient as those in the original series. @justicethorpsylocke: 1. If it didn't require raw power, why couldn't Hama do it in base and need the full moon? Also, lavabending needs you to be either the Avatar thus bend both earth and fire, or a son of a firebender and an earthbender. Azula is one of the strongest characters in Avatar: ... 5 Amon. Azula. In bloodbending you need to look deeper and be more creative. Nonetheless, it can be assumed that Mako vs. Azula would end in the arena being vaporized, but this certainty can also be applied to his fate — a smoldering mass of charcoal where he is supposed to be standing. Do not request/post non-official stream/download links for any episodes or comics. Amon is cruel and cold, seen when he taunts Korra about his plans to defeat her.In spite of his apparent cruelty, Amon claims to be a staunch believer in what he vie… Their name comes from the White Lotus tile, a low-ranking piece in the game of Pai Sho, which is the most common form of communication among members. Azula. Combustion bending is way to vague and unexplained to be argued for here. [–]swaggy2626 6 points7 points8 points 9 months ago (0 children), Amon, because unless you're a bloodbender there's no way you can take him on a straight fight, if she ambushed him she would have a a chance, [–]ndanan2212 13 points14 points15 points 9 months ago (0 children). They wouldn't be able to learn everything Master Pakku had learned by training but they were bloodbenders unlike him. Clearly. 1. Overall Last Airbender attacks are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too slow. vote votes. Doesn’t seem like there’s any discrimination at that point. What waterbending feats does he have aside of a water tornado. It's a technique. 2. It's more complex than i seems. Random fodder chief offisers were metalbenders. Growing up, he was a good-natured child who always looked out for his younger brother and wanted everyone to be treated fairly and equally.When Noatak and Tarrlok both discovered they were waterbenders, Yakone trained them ruthlessly to develop their skills. 1. When Azula resorts to mere punches and kicks, Amon is able to outmaneuver her and knock her flat. I don't think water hands work that way. Vaatu is using unalaq as a host/avatar. None of them was a master earthbender. I'm 1000% he would use it if he could. That's why avatars are so much stronger, because their energy is so vast due to Raava. They are both so cool and collected (pre-crazy Azula), so i think a fight between the two would be so interesting to watch. How would this go down??? Blood is water with some other things so I don't think you would requiire any gift to bend it. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: There are several main comics which take place shortly after ATLA. Being quick and resourceful doesn't mean you are a master earthbender.4. That's how I see it. Mind you, she outmaneuvered Aang and Toph while bendless, the two of which I feel would wreck Amon in this battle as well. They also described the training dangerous. Psychic bending isn't raw power. And the equalists are watching, so Amon can't use his bloodbending. I think that it brings you the title of master because of the mastery on the ultimate technique, but doesn't mean you have to be a master of normal waterbending to learn bloodbending because: for exaple let's take young Tarrlok and Noataq. It's a rare gift that you have to train in order to achieve" and they also said that Combustion Man lost his leg and hand during training and that's why he has metal limbs. A water spout is not enough (and countered by Azula). He started teaching her about politics and how to be a successful ruler while ignoring Zuko. Determined to prove his worth to his father, Zuko hunted Aang across the … My first Versus Series for the Avatar Series. However, bloodbending is more like lightening in the sense that if you can boodbend, it means you are already a master level waterbender. AS I see them with more raw power. It's more of a personal thing I have with this kind of OP or feared by everyone characters...Of course I cryed when Tarrlok commited suicide with his brother but.. :P That was the only time I actually felt sympathy for him. Everyone can do it, but hardly any of the dozens of metalbenders are master earthbenders. Info. 2. Aang vs. Amon: Avatar Bender Battles #1 | Avatar - YouTube. The water Katara and Hama were bending wasn't bigger thn average. Only focus and technique. Yeah, they don't have more energy outside of AS.2. If its in the middle of a lake, he'll make her work for it.. but I don't really think he can win based on what hes done. She has bested the two best martial arts masters (Mai and Ty Lee who are evidently described as unmatched on martial arts), Suki, probably the best non-bender after Ty Lee twice amd Zuko while he was using bending again, twice. Hama invented this thing. :( I was kind of angry about something else and I fired it all on you. Either or both of us could be right. Published on Jul 14, 2014. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Who wins? Similarly, you are born with the potential to combustion-bend but you still have to train to realize it. Having more energy would. NEXT: 10 Unpopular Opinions About Avatar The Last Airbender… What raw power of water has Amon showcased? @justicethorpsylocke: But we still can't assume that he is able to perform the most powerful bending technique just like that. I don't see how the inventor should be the master when she already did too much. 4. and while her trainers are among the best in the world, experience is the best teacher. I always figured that when they say "gift" they are referring to potential. Tag Arcus, I'm sure he can help me on this one. Amon cannot hurt anyone without bloodbending. Bloodbending shouldn't be as hard to learn as other techniques becasue Katara and most probably 10 year olds would struggle bending water spouts but were able to bloodbend. “No lightning? Everyone can do it if they want to, and it's a earth as much as blood is water. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Similar technique indeed but it doesn't mean that a bloodbender can do that since they might be taught to focus on the water insdie someone but nobody might have told them to be more creative. Agree to disagree. That seems to be the basic principle in bloodbending - bend unseen water. 4. And on top of his genetic blessings, he has shown to be a prodigy in the flashbacks. They just wasted his potential, and back them-selves into a corner to kill him off in a random way because no-one could challenge him outside of the AS. I think Amon will be key to victory. He has a bitter hatred for benders, as he blames them as a whole for the death of his family, his supposed disfiguring, and every war that has ever occurred. What has Kuvira done to be considered a master earthbender? 2. Just that even without. 3. Easily more raw power than Katara and he is not a bloodbender. Ever? Again, a simple assumption but a good one. Ty Lee and Mai would lose. We can't just assume things like these. Her best element is water, and even then Kuvira would only stomp because of skill, not energy/raw power. She is a master because her weakness was turned into her stregth much like Toph. The full moon does affect raw power furthermore. She is a major player in the second Disney Vs Non Disney Villains War. I'm still iffy on this whole focus/skill thing when it comes to bloodbending, but it's the only way Amon and his family could do it without amps. Azula takes more than ten seconds to charge up lightning. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Just because he can do a water spout (that Azula would shoot lightning at and kill him), doesn't mran he is more skilled than an average waterbender. This comparsion answers your question and grounds my thoughts on why Amon isn't necessesarily a master waterbender despite being a master bloodbender. While Katara has obviously done better, that's because she has fought on the ocean, in the poles, and other places with enormous quantities of water. He's nothing without his precious bloodbending. Amon is exceptionally talented at bloodbending and is by far the most powerful bloodbender seen in The Legend of Korra or Avatar: The Last Airbender.He is so skilled at it that he can even remove a person’s bending altogether by severing their connection with it through bloodbending. 3. Think about it, everyone that is considered a master metalbender is also a master earthbender. He has no such power in this battle and as far as I am concerned, Azula has shown far better feats with her agility and skill even when she completely lost her bending during the eclipse. Their ultimate goal was to introduce equality for all by permanently ridding the world of benders. View Results View Results Go Back And Vote Go Back And Vote. Amon appears to be a calm, passive individual most of the time, as he has never been seen losing his composure. Much like Combustion bending as described by the creators. I think any waterbender, if talented enough, can become a bloodbender. When they say "power" in the show, I think they refer to overall enchagement. Shopping. I'll agree on that too. 1. Fueled by the toxic words of her father, Azula would go on to fall further and further into depravity until she became nothing but a shell of her former self. I’m curious to know who the winner of this battle would be. But your point is well-taken - these aren't major feats, they don't show how he'd deal with quick or big attacks from a master and he was likely using bloodbending there anyway. To be honest there's a lot of things we don't know here. I mean if that Agni KI were in LoK there would have been 1/100th the fire and 100x the speed and random punches/kicks. They were skilled bloodbenders around the age of 10-12 or so. He took out Lightening Bolt Zolt from the Triple Threats and easily dodged the pro-bending champion. I really wished they would of made him an actual non-bender, I hated the "twist" a lot and how they did the twist was more dumb. Calm down. Azula's flamez are blue because they're THAT hot. Toph would probably win, just because she'd be able to see Amon's every move. While he was training and Noatak, however, he he had to make all the corresponding motions to bloodbend. Korra only managed to beat Amon by surprise with airbending if i remember correctly and there was no fight after that (correct me if i'm wrong). Because if that's the case, I might have to change my mind about the matchup. He also dodged all the ice-attacks Korra threw at him - but then, she was weak and tired. Iroh said that only a few gifted firebenders only have the ability to balance their chi in order to achive lightning generation. Images and Videos of the Supremacist Revolutionary Amon from The Legend of Korra. 5. Azula is a martial artists that can actually hurt opponents in h2h. The water tornado would make it waaaay easier to kill him. How would he get tagged when he had never battled before?? However it doesn't put you above average in use of normal water because it doesn't mean that you can't skip master waterbending techniques to arrive at this technique. Given that, isn't it probable that Amon can do that as well? (get it cause sjhe's a fire bender and he's water :D). But I hate Amon because of that reason. That's why it's messed up :P I mean, you are a master waterbender because you have mastered the ultimate technique. It would at least be stated if not shown. It's never indicated energy or spirituality is needed for metalbending. I don't see how Amon with no bloodbending stands even a small chance against her. I said that she has nothing to indicate that she is a master. You answered your own question here. That implies that his "psychic bloodbending" is actually a learned technique - years of practice and refinement to minimize the motion so much that he barely needs any. Ming's hands are pretty mysterious. Actually, the Avatars are stronger because they have the bility to counter any bending technique becasue they have access to them all. Azula is one of the strongest firebenders of all time, and that is proven, without his bloodbending would i give Amon at best a 1/10 chance to win based on the assumption that he is a strong waterbender. The technique is same to that of metalbending. @anthp2000: Well, to be fair, he did battle before. @marty2187: 1. This is the actual question I'm thinking about. He uses it to subtly move an opponent so their attacks go wide and he can dodge them much easier. They work like normal hands and people move their normal hands.
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